The True Nature Of Water

By: Ray Murray

There Is A Lot More To Water Than You Might Think...

What Is Water?

When we are first introduced to the subjects of Physics and Chemistry as children, we all learn two simple things ~ namely:

    1. The Chemical Composition of Water
    2. The Three Physical States of Water

We learned that:

  • In Chemistry: One molecule of water is composed of two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen – which is represented by the chemical formula of: H2O 

And we learned that:

  • In Physics: The three physical states of water are:
    • Solid (Which we find in Nature in the forms of: Ice, Snow and Frost)
    • Liquid (Which we find in Nature in the form of Running Water)
    • Gas (Which we find in Nature in the forms of: Vapor)

When we learned some of the basic tenets of Biology, we learned that:

  • Water is essential for Life on Earth

And, generally speaking, that was just about all we learned about The True Nature of Water, unless we later chose to study more specialized topics, such as fluid dynamics, meteorology etc., etc..

So it might surprise you to learn that these few things that we’ve all learned in relation to water, and which most of us have probably just assumed to be complete statements of simple facts, actually turn out to be less than entirely complete statements of facts. They’re not wrong – they just don’t tell us the whole picture.

There is a lot more to water than you might think.

The Four States / Phases Of Water

In the above video, Dr Gerald Pollack introduces us to the fact that in addition to the well-known three states or three phases of water (solid, liquid, gas), there is a fourth phase, which is a semi-crystalline state between solid and liquid that he refers to as “EZ” water (EZ stands for “Exclusion Zone” ~ as explained in the above video).

EZ water is a more structured and more robust state of water, each molecule of which has the chemical composition of 3x Hydrogen atoms and 2x Oxygen atoms:

  • H3O2

The Properties Of H3O2

Now, if you go online to learn a little more about H3O2 / Structured Water ~ which is also known as “Hexagonal Water” ~ this is what you will find at the top of the entry in Wikipedia:

“Hexagonal water, also known as structured water, is a term used in a marketing scam that claims the ability to create a certain configuration of water that is better for the body. The term “hexagonal water” refers to a cluster of water molecules forming a hexagonal shape that supposedly enhances nutrient absorption, removes metabolic wastes, and enhances cellular communication, among other things. Similar to the dihydrogen monoxide hoax, the scam takes advantage of the consumer’s limited knowledge of chemistry, physics, and physiology.

Incompatibilities With Science:

The concept of hexagonal water clashes with several established scientific ideas. Although water clusters have been observed experimentally, they have a very short lifetime: the hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds.(One femtosecond is one quadrillionth of one second)

This contradicts the hexagonal water model’s claim that the particular structure of water consumed is the same structure used by the body. Similarly, the hexagonal water model claims that this particular structure of water “resonates with energetic vibrations of the body to amplify life force”.

Although water molecules strongly absorb energy in the infrared range of the electromagnetic spectrum, there is no scientific evidence that supports the theory that hexagon-shaped water polymers would be created through bombardment of energy of these frequencies.”

To be fair to Wikipedia, their entry does obliquely focus on claims being made in relation to water-products being sold as “Hexagonal Water”, where a number of spurious claims have indeed been made with regard to the health-enhancing properties of specific water-products.

However, it is clear from the research of Dr Gerald Pollack and others over several decades that Wikipedia’s sweeping claims that:

Hexagonal water, also known as structured water, is a term used in a marketing scam that claims the ability to create a certain configuration of water that is better for the body. The concept of hexagonal water clashes with several established scientific ideas. Although water clusters have been observed experimentally, they have a very short lifetime: the hydrogen bonds are continually breaking and reforming at timescales shorter than 200 femtoseconds.”

Are at best highly questionable and at worst completely misleading. They imply that there is no such thing as structured water / hexagonal water / H3O2 ~ and if this exists at all, it only exists for the most fleeting of moments in laboratory conditions.

Dr Pollack’s work clearly shows that not only are such myopic Wikipedian statements inaccurate, they completely fail to recognize the literally VITAL role that H3O2 is constantly playing at any ‘Exclusion Zone’ naturally created inside each and every cell of all cellular life forms – which includes you and me.

Which brings me to wonder:

  • If there are any examples of H3O2 Water being naturally produced outside of living cells?
    • …at any significant scale?
    • …and which clearly lasts ~ holding its structure ~ for any significant period of time?
    • …such as seconds, hours, minutes, days, years, decades or longer?

However, to fully answer those questions we also need to ask and answer a few other profound and important questions, including:

  • Where Does All Of The Water On The Earth Come From?
  • Does The Earth Produce Its Own Water?
  • How Are Planets ~ Such As the Earth ~ Formed? 

The Origins Of Water On Earth

Until very recently, the standard and widely accepted theory of how water came to exist in such abundance on Earth ~ as Wikipedia still states ~ proposed that:

“The origin of water on Earth is the subject of a body of research in the fields of planetary science, astronomy, and astrobiology. Earth is unique among the rocky planets in the Solar System in that it is the only planet known to have oceans of liquid water on its surface. Liquid water, which is necessary for life, continues to exist on the surface of Earth because the planet is at a distance far enough from the Sun that it does not lose its water to the runaway greenhouse effect, but not so far that low temperatures cause all water on the planet to freeze.

Earth could not have condensed from the protoplanetary disk with its current oceans of water because the early inner Solar System was far too hot for water to condense. Instead, water and other volatiles must have been delivered to Earth from the outer Solar System later in its history. Modern geochemical evidence suggests that water was delivered to Earth by impacts from icy planetesimals similar in composition to modern asteroids in the outer edges of the asteroid belt”.

So, according to the above information at the head of the Wikipedia entry explaining The Origin Of Water On Earth, the mere existence of vast quantities of water on Earth is directly related to how Solar Systems are formed, and how individual Planets within a given Solar System are formed – and whether or not a specific Planet, such as our own, happens to be fortunate enough to have just enough random impacts from ‘icy planetisimals’, to add vast quantities of water to its surface, with those impacts occurring during just the right time period when the Solar System was not too hot – and without those impacts being so severe as to destroy the planet.

Side Note: According to the mainstream views of Science, as an established global institution, one of those random impacts from a stray planetisimal may have created the Earth’s Moon ~ as Wikipedia explains:

“The origin of the Moon is usually explained by a Mars-sized body striking the Earth, making a debris ring that eventually collected into a single natural satellite, the Moon, but there are a number of variations on this giant-impact hypothesis, as well as alternative explanations, and research continues into how the Moon came to be.” 

Other proposed scenarios include captured body, fission, formed together (condensation theory, Synestia), planetesimal collisions (formed from asteroid-like bodies), and collision theories

The standard giant-impact hypothesis suggests that the Mars-sized body, called Theia, impacted the proto-Earth, creating a large debris ring around Earth, which then accreted to form the Moon. This collision also resulted in the 23.5° tilted axis of the Earth, thus causing the seasons.

The Moon’s oxygen isotopic ratios seem to be essentially identical to Earth’s. Oxygen isotopic ratios, which may be measured very precisely, yield a unique and distinct signature for each Solar System body. 

If Theia had been a separate protoplanet, it probably would have had a different oxygen isotopic signature from proto-Earth, as would the ejected mixed material.

Also, the Moon’s titanium isotope ratio (50Ti/47Ti) appears so close to the Earth’s (within 4 parts per million) that little if any of the colliding body’s mass could likely have been part of the Moon.”

Now, back to the Wikipedia section presenting “The Origin Of Water On Earth.”

The Wikipedia entry explaining the old mainstream scientific view of the origin of water on Earth may,of  course, explain exactly what happened to enable 71% of the Earth’s surface to be covered with water.

However, that Wikipedia entry on the origin of water on Earth makes a lot of bold and highly questionable statements.

For example, whilst the following aren’t the only questionable statements being made in the water-origin focused Wikipedia text quoted above, there are three key and major themes all bundled together in the Wikipedia summary, as follows:

  1. Theme 1: Earth could not have condensed from the protoplanetary disk with its current oceans of water because the early inner Solar System was far too hot for water to condense.
  2. Theme 2: Instead, water and other volatiles must have been delivered to Earth from the outer Solar System later in its history.
  3. Theme 3: Modern geochemical evidence suggests that water was delivered to Earth by impacts from icy planetesimals similar in composition to modern asteroids in the outer edges of the asteroid belt.

It is perhaps worth noting that in the whole section from Wikipedia on the origins of water on Earth, quoted above, there is not one direct link to any corroborative research that would support any single claim being made in each of the three numbered themes listed above – and by single claims I mean the following:

  1. Claim 1: “Earth could not have condensed…”  (Assumes that Earth was produced by condensing into form through a process of accretion)
  2. Claim 2: “Earth could not have condensed from the protoplanetary disk…” (Assumes that solar systems are the product of protoplanetary disks. A protoplanetary disk is a rotating circumstellar disc of dense gas and dust surrounding a young newly formed star, a T Tauri star, or Herbig Ae/Be star. The protoplanetary disk may also be considered an accretion disk for the star itself, because gases or other material may be falling from the inner edge of the disk onto the surface of the star. This process should not be confused with the accretion process thought to build up the planets themselves.)
  3. Claim 3: “Earth could not have condensed from the protoplanetary disk with its current oceans of water…” (Assumes that the whole ‘condensing into a planet via accretion’ process – if indeed that is what drives planet-formation – could not include the innate incorporation of large quantities of water into the planet being formed.)
  4. Claim 4: “Earth could not have condensed from the protoplanetary disk with its current oceans of water, because the early inner Solar System was far too hot for water to condense”. (Explains why the whole ‘condensing into a planet via accretion’ process could not include the innate incorporation of large quantities of water)

Hopefully it will be fairly easy to see that throughout broad Theme 1 above, each individual claim ties into and builds upon its preceding claim.

That composite message then leads to the whole crux of the postulate being presented above by Wikipedia, which is that:

  1. Theme 2 & Claim 5:
    “Water and other volatiles must have been delivered to Earth from the outer Solar System later in its history”.

And if that actually is a true statement, with or without any scientific corroboration, then it is a true statement – but what if that central claim (Claim 5) is just not a true statement? That would be a pretty big deal. What if the water which exists on Earth did not arrive here from the outer Solar System at all?

Fortunately, it seems that Wikipedia must be on pretty solid ground, because of Claim 6, which confidently reinforces Claims 1 to 5:

  1. Theme 3 & Claim 6:
    Modern geochemical evidence suggests that water was delivered to Earth by impacts from icy planetesimals similar in composition to modern asteroids in the outer edges of the asteroid belt.”

Well that’s OK then.

Except that when you read the same Wikipedia article on The Origins of Water On Earth further, the simplistic thesis detailed above, which is found at the top of the Wikipedia page, begins to be somewhat contradicted in the section entitled, “Earth’s Water Inventory” ,:

Earth’s Water Inventory

While the majority of Earth’s surface is covered by oceans, those oceans make up just a small fraction of the mass of the planet. The mass of Earth’s oceans is estimated to be 1.37 × 1021 kg, which is 0.023% of the total mass of Earth, 6.0 × 1024 kg. An additional 0.5 × 1021 kg of water is estimated to exist in ice, lakes, rivers, groundwater, and atmospheric water vapor.[15] 

A significant amount of water is also stored in Earth’s crust, mantle, and core.

Unlike molecular H2O that is found on the surface, water in the interior exists primarily in hydrated minerals or as trace amounts of hydrogen bonded to oxygen atoms in anhydrous minerals.[16]

Hydrated silicates on the surface transport water into the mantle at convergent plate boundaries, where oceanic crust is subducted underneath continental crust.

While it is difficult to estimate the total water content of the mantle due to limited samples, approximately three times the mass of the Earth’s oceans could be stored there.[16] Similarly, the Earth’s core could contain four to five oceans worth of hydrogen.[15][17]

Reference material [15] in the above section refers to this paper: “Origin of Earth’s oceans: An assessment of the total amount, history and supply of water”, by Hidenori Genda, which may be found here, the Abstract to Hidenori Genda’s paper states the following:

The presence of water on Earth has played important roles in shaping the solid regions of the planet as well as in the origin and evolution of life. This paper addresses three fundamental aspects of Earth’s water; the quantity of water on the surface and in the interior that Earth possesses, the length of time that surface oceans have been present, and the mechanism(s) by which this water was supplied or generated

From geochemical and geophysical analysis, and high-pressure experimental works, the water content in the Earth’s mantle can be estimated to be from one to ten times the present ocean mass. 

Although it is difficult to estimate the water content in the Earth’s core, recent high-pressure experimental work indicates copious amounts of hydrogen in the core.

From geological and geochemical evidence, the Earth’s surface oceans appear to have existed since very early in the Earth’s history, perhaps even since the Earth’s formation.

However, changes in the ocean volume throughout the Earth’s history have not been well determined.

Several possible water sources and supply mechanisms have been proposed, in association with theories regarding planet formation in our solar system.

Since there are several uncertainties concerning the process of planet formation, the origin of the Earth’s water is still in question.

Which, I submit, not only fails to corroborate the initial strong claims made in the Wikipedia entry, this Abstract from Hidenori Genda’s paper clearly indicates that those strong claims may be flat out wrong. And that brings us to a New Scientist article, written by Andy Coghlan and published online on 27 January 2017. (Link Here) – detailed below.

Does The Earth Produce Its Own Water?

Planet Earth Makes Its Own Water From Scratch Deep In The Mantle

Our planet may be blue from the inside out. Earth’s huge store of water might have originated via chemical reactions in the mantle, rather than arriving from space through collisions with ice-rich comets.

This new water may be under such pressure that it can trigger earthquakes hundreds of kilometres below Earth’s surface – tremors whose origins have so far remained unexplained.

That’s the upshot of a computer simulation of reactions in Earth’s upper mantle between liquid hydrogen and quartz, the most common and stable form of silica in this part of the planet.

“This is one way water can form on Earth,” says team member John Tse at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada. “We show it’s possible to have water forming in Earth’s natural environment, rather than being of extraterrestrial origin.

Mainstream Astronomy Has No Idea How Planets Form!

Mainstream science has only recently started to come around to the idea that Planet Earth may produce her own water. And one of the reasons that such a concept still seems so radical to many orthodox scientists is the fact that they have long believed that pretty much all water on Earth arrived here, essentially by happy-accident, from outer-space.

And one of the things that has compounded such myopic beliefs is another long-held belief by the scientific community, which is the belief that our Solar System and all of the planets within it ~ obviously including Planet Earth ~ are the product of the accretion of matter, in a cosmic amassing-and-condensing process that would be driven and controlled by Gravity.

Now, however, many underlying and long-held assumptions about how the Earth and all other planets formed are being shown to be fatally flawed and simply wrong, as the video below explains:

Has The Earth Grown To Its Present Size?

And What Does This Have To Do With Batman?

The Growing Earth Theory

You will almost certainly have heard of Batman, but, you may not have heard of Neal Adams, about whom Wikipedia states the following:

Neal Adams (born June 15, 1941) is an American comic book and commercial artist known for helping to create some of the definitive modern imagery of the DC Comics characters Batman and Green Arrow; as the co-founder of the graphic design studio Continuity Associates; and as a creators-rights advocate who helped secure a pension and recognition for Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.

Adams was inducted into the Eisner Award’s Will Eisner Comic Book Hall of Fame in 1998, the Harvey Awards’ Jack Kirby Hall of Fame in 1999, and the Inkwell Awards Joe Sinnott Hall of Fame in 2019.

So far so good – impressive stuff! 

And then, right at the bottom of the page on Neal Adams, Wikipedia also states:

Advocacy Of Expanding Earth Hypothesis

Adams believes the Earth is growing through a process called pair production*. Adams holds the work of Australian geologist Samuel Warren Carey in high esteem, but considers the term “Expanding Earth” a misnomer.

While Carey did advocate an expanding Earth in the mid-20th century, his model was rejected following the development of the theory of plate tectonics. Adams advocates his ideas in a DVD documentary he wrote and produced, clips of which are available on his YouTube channel.

Adams appeared on the radio show Coast to Coast AM several times to discuss his claims He was also interviewed by Steven Novella on a Skeptics Guide podcast in 2006, and afterward continued the debate on Novella’s blog. 

Japan Times columnist Jeff Ogrisseg wrote a three-part feature promoting Adams’s ideas, which was roundly criticized by Novella for being an example of “outright promotion of pseudoscience as if it were news.”

Adams also used the concept as the basis for his Batman: Odyssey series, in which the planet’s expansion has produced a Hollow Earth, the inside of which is inhabited by dinosaurs and Neanderthal versions of the main characters.

Pair Production:

Very briefly, the term, ‘pair production’ mentioned in the Wikipedia entry, above refers to the following physical process, as defined by Encyclopaedia Britannica: (To see full entry in Encyclopaedia Britannica, please click here.)

“Pair production, in physics, is the formation or materialization of two electrons, one negative and the other positive (positron), from a pulse of electromagnetic energy traveling through matter, usually in the vicinity of an atomic nucleus. Pair production is a direct conversion of radiant energy to matter.” 

If you weren’t aware of this before, hopefully the few examples I’ve given already will start to show you that rather than simply present information that genuinely reflects the most recent conclusions being made by established scientists and independent researchers alike, it appears be the case that Wikipedia in general:

  • Follows and supports an Established Narrative.

I point this out because it is pretty obvious that Wikipedia is attempting to ‘pooh-pooh’ the credibility of both Neal Adams and the pioneering work of Professor Samuel Warren Cary, which Neal Adams ~ as an earnest independent researcher ~ has decided to explore, expand upon and then skillfully explain in a number of extraordinary illustrative videos that he has produced on his YouTube channel ~ such as the two short videos included below:

  • Video 001:  “Neal Adams – Science: 01 – Conspiracy: Earth is Growing!”
  • Video 002:  “Neal Adams – Science: 03 – Conspiracy: Mars is Growing!”

Video 001:

Video 002:

The Expanding Earth Theory Is Both Elegant & Simple

The research and theories of Professor Carey have been incorporated into the various videos produced by Neal Adams. 

Now, it is worth noting that Adams has not produced a hand-drawn “cartoon” here from his own vivid imagination, he has simply and strictly used a range of maps and information from the likes of NASA and other geographic-data institutions, which have been graphically and accurately combined and ‘morphed’ to painstakingly produce the animations of the Earth, the Moon, Mars and other celestial bodies, portrayed in Adams’ videos, which he has produced simply to show how land-masses fit together and spread apart in accordance with the Expanding Earth / Growing Earth theories of Professor Carey et al. 

Personally, I have to say that these graphic-animations provide a very persuasive argument that planet Earth, and indeed all Planets and Moons in the Universe are not formed merely by accretion of matter, in a purely ‘dead’ physical process, where that accumulated matter then condenses and solidifies to a ‘same-size-forever’ ball ~ rather they are all grown and they mature in a process that appears to be more akin to Biological Growth.

That said, I appreciate that for the likes of Wikipedia, it is easy to assume that Neal Adams must be mistaken about this – after all, the guy is just a science-fiction cartoonist, right? He has no PhD to attach to his name. It is thus easy to imply that he isn’t ‘qualified’ to comment and that what he is suggesting here must itself be science-fiction.

Well, not so fast – let’s hear what our learned Australian Professor, Samuel Warren Carey had to say about the matter himself, in the video below:

There Is No Subduction!

You may have noticed in the presentation by Neal Adams and in the explanation by Professor Carey that both men are stating, most adamantly, that in the Expanding Planet / Growing Planet Model, there is rifting, caused by global expansion and growth, but there is absolutely:


Which takes us back to the Wikipedia entry on The Origins Of Water On Earth, where, in the section which refers to Earth’s Water Inventory, the following is stated:

A significant amount of water is also stored in Earth’s crust, mantle, and core. Unlike molecular H2O that is found on the surface, water in the interior exists primarily in hydrated minerals or as trace amounts of hydrogen bonded to oxygen atoms in anhydrous minerals.[16] Hydrated silicates on the surface transport water into the mantle at convergent plate boundaries, where oceanic crust is subducted underneath continental crust.

But, if Professor Carey and Mr Adams are correct in their entirely logical thesis that All Planets Grow and that there is NO SUBDUCTION, only rifting, then the above claim in Wikipdedia must be incorrect.

Which begs the question, if there is in fact a vast amount of water in the Earth’s mantle – and none of it has arrived there via subduction, then where in the world did that water come from?

And that brings me to go two more big-picture topics that I’d like to share with you, before diving back into Water. Those topics being:

We’ve already seen a little about The Electric Universe theory in one of the videos above, which explains that mainstream Astronomers really have no idea as to how planets are formed, and both of the above topics are covered in great detail on their own websites (click the links in the list above) and on the YouTube Channel of The Thunderbolts Project

The video below will give you an eye-opening and thought-provoking yet easy to understand introduction to the simplicity and elegance of: The Electric Universe Theory.

The Electric Universe Theory ~ Elegant & Simple

The Safire Project
~ Testing The Electric Sun Model ~

Some Extraordinary Discoveries From The Safire Project

According to this article in The Science Times:

“The element Hydrogen has only one proton and one electron and is the only element which has no neutrons. Therefore it is considered as the simplest element in the universe and gives a valid reason for it to be the most abundant and common element in the universe.

As per estimation from the Jefferson Lab, approximately 90 percent of the visible universe is framed by Hydrogen proving that being in the simplest form, this element is the most common and abundant element in the universe. Nyman also said that Hydrogen atoms fuse and produce helium, which is the second most abundant and common element in the universe. Both the elements together, i.e. Helium and Hydrogen make up 99% of the universe.”

With all the above in mind, and continuing to look at the composition of the universe, it is also interesting to note from this article on the NASA website:

Plasma is not a gas, liquid, or solid – it is the fourth state of matter. Plasma often behaves like a gas, except that it conducts electricity and is affected by magnetic fields. On an astronomical scale, plasma is common. The Sun is composed of plasma, fire is plasma, fluorescent and neon lights contain plasma.

“99.9 percent of the Universe is made up of plasma,” says Dr. Dennis Gallagher, a plasma physicist at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center. “Very little material in space is made of rock like the Earth.”

At the 17 minute mark in the above video, you will see and hear a short section on Transmutation – which provides information about the new elements that were formed inside The Safire (Plasma) Chamber, which simply weren’t there before – and one of those elements is Oxygen.

So what? You may ask – and you’d be in good company, because I’m wondering the same thing myself – so what does this mean…

Is Neal Adams on to something? Are planets formed and grown in an intense electromagnetically charged hydrogen-rich plasma environment, both attracting matter and creating new elements – including oxygen?

I don’t know the answer to those questions, but I think that they and many others are worth asking.

You see, if solid terrestrial bodies are not formed primarily though gravity-driven accretion, but rather their creation is driven electro-magnetically, which both attracts elements and creates new elements (as shown in The Safire Project) and if they thereby gain enough mass over time and actually grow to form spheres that we call planetoids, whilst constantly drawing energy from the electric universe, and perhaps a nearby star too, as they also attract and absorb more and more hydrogen and other elements from the cosmos to enable them to keep growing…

Well, that just might in time produce a planet like the Earth or Mars or the Moon and so on…

And if, as part of this whole process such a Growing Earth produces its own water – then maybe other planets produce their own water too!

Stop Press!

The Plasma-Core Earth

Yesterday evening, just after I had written the section in blue immediately above, I wondered if anyone else had considered whether the core of the Earth might not be a ball of solid and liquid iron, as mainstream science still claims to be the case, but rather the core of our planet (and of every planet) is in fact an electrified plasma – in effect a ‘mini-sun’ not unlike the ‘mini-sun’ created in the laboratory by The Safire Project crew. 

I was hoping that if someone who understands a whole lot more about this topic than I do had come to the same conclusion that I had reached ~ that the core of a Naturally Growing Earth may in fact be an electrified plasma ~ then perhaps he or she may have produced a thesis or a video or a book etc., that would explain their own theories on the topic.

And lo and behold, guess what I found this morning!

Check out the video below, by independent researcher Rolf Witzsche!

So... Does This Mean There Could Be
An Abundance Of Water On All Planets?

Maybe! Probably! But first, before we start seriously considering that question, it makes sense for us to first confirm whether or not there actually is an abundance of water being created in an ongoing and sustainable manner on this planet, by the planet, within the planet & for the planet!

The Evidence For Earth-Generated Water:

There Are, It Is Claimed, Two Distinct Forms Of
Earth-Generated Water, Namely:
Primary Water & Vein Water

The Theory Of Primary Water

New Water is the Sustainable Source of all Fresh Water on Earth

New Water, in the form of Primary Water, is not the same thing as recycled Ground Water.

Primary Water is produced deep in the earth when Oxygen & Hydrogen join together through geological processes.

Recent research shows a vast ocean of such New Water exists throughout the Earth’s mantle.

Please Note ~ As the graphic below illustrates, neither Primary Water nor Vein Water are aquifer water. Aquifers are generally created by groundwater drainage, however, Primary Water and Vein Water may also ‘leak’ into aquifers, which helps to sustain those aquifers. Image Credit: The Primary Water Institute –

The Theory Of Vein Water

Vein Water Is Not The Same As Primary Water

It is theorized that Primary Water is probably formed in layers of the earth’s crust about 500 km deep. It then penetrates under pressure through crevices, fissures and cavities to the surface.

Primary Water wells can be very productive. A discharge of about 8000 liters per minute. is not rare. The properties of Primary Water generally correspond to those of groundwater.

Independent researcher Norbert Cibis, however, states that Vein Water is not the same thing as Primary Water, even though both are produced entirely as a result of processes combining Hydrogen and Oxygen which take place deep in the Earth itself.

Vein Water Is Hydrogen Water

According to the pioneering research of Norbert Cibis, (see below) both Primary Water and Vein Water are ‘grown’ or ‘manufactured’ by internal geophysical processes.

However, he theorizes that the key difference between the two being that Vein Water is produced from oxygen in the Earth apparently combining with Hydrogen from Space that is constantly being incorporated by and within the Earth.

This natural process, which takes place under immense pressure in the Earth’s mantle, allegedly then creates a distinct hydrogen-rich molecular structure for Vein Water, which some people refer to as, ‘Hydrogen Water’ or “Hexagonal Water”.

The picture on the right (provided by Norbert Cibis) allegedly shows the two water types flowing directly next to each other.

Norbert Cibis States:

“The white stream shown in the image on the right contains PRIMARY WATER and groundwater, plus many suspended particles, hence the white coloration.

The black river on the right, in the image, contains pure VEIN WATER, which is more dense than PRIMARY WATER, as a result, this water type (VEIN WATER) does not mix with normal water.

The name VEIN WATER comes from the fact that this water flows in so-called veins, as with humans. This circumstance in turn is a prerequisite for the special quality of the water. It is a self-contained system.”

Water, Water, Everywhere!

The New Water Pioneers

Dr Eduard Seuss:

The first of our New Water Pioneers is Dr Eduard Seuss, who is perhaps most famous for his theory that many millions of years ago there once existed a supercontinent that he called “Gondwana”, and which he named after the Gondwana region of central India. Nowadays the term “Gondwanaland” is preferred by some scientists in order to make a clear distinction between the region in central India and the supercontinent.

According to Wikipedia:

Gondwana or Gondwanaland was a supercontinent that existed from the Neoproterozoic (about 550 million years ago) until the Jurassic (about 180 million years ago). Gondwana was not considered a supercontinent by the earliest definition, since the landmasses of Baltica, Laurentia and Siberia were separate from it.

It was formed by the accretion of several cratons. Eventually, Gondwana became the largest piece of continental crust of the Paleozoic Era, covering an area of about 100,000,000 km2 (39,000,000 sq mi), about one-fifth of the Earth’s surface. During the Carboniferous Period, it merged with Euramerica to form a larger supercontinent called Pangaea. Gondwana (and Pangaea) gradually broke up during the Mesozoic Era. The remnants of Gondwana make up about two-thirds of today’s continental area, including South America, Africa, Antarctica, Australia, the Indian Subcontinent, Zealandia and Arabia.

The formation of Gondwana began c. 800 to 650 Ma with the East African Orogeny, the collision of India and Madagascar with East Africa, and was completed c. 600 to 530 Ma with the overlapping Brasiliano and Kuunga orogenies, the collision of South America with Africa and the addition of Australia and Antarctica, respectively.

And According To The University Of California San Diego (Scripps Institute ~ Earthguide)

The modern continents as we know them were clustered into a single large continent called Pangaea that broke apart by seafloor spreading. The world geography was not dominated by Pangaea for all time before the end of the Paleozoic. The Earth’s plates had probably clumped up more than once in he past and moved apart before clumping up again. That cycle of clumping and reopening of oceans is called the Wilson Cycle. The largest clumped continents such as Pangaea are called supercontinents. There are few guesses about the layout of continents before Pangaea because clues from earlier rocks are difficult to decipher. Tectonic activity not only totally destroys oceanic crust, but it munches up continental crust. Why give a supercontinent such as Pangaea a special name rather than call it by modern names? We give a unique name to any single continental landmass today. Even though we may think of Pangaea as made up of the seven continents today, it was a unique continent at the time it existed and its existence didn’t depend on modern continents.

Gondwanaland is the name of another clumping of continents, one that was large, but smaller than Pangaea and occurring at a different time – at the end of the Mesozoic. When Pangaea broke up, the northern continents of North America and Eurasia became separated from the southern continents of Antarctica, India, South America, Australia and Africa. The large northern continent is called Laurasia and the southern continent is called Gondwanaland. Laurasia and Gondwanaland were separated by an ocean called Tethys that no longer exists today. The long direction of Tethys runs east-west rather than north-south like the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans today. That allowed ocean currents to flow all around the Earth in the east-west direction near the equator, causing the Earth’s climate to be very different.


So before we learn about Dr Seuss’ work as a New Water Pioneer, I should first point out that if The Expanding Earth / Growing Earth Theory of Professor Carey, Neal Adams and others turns out to be largely correct ~ which, personally speaking, I strongly suspect it will ~ then Pangaea, Laurasia and Gondwanaland were (are) a complete science-fiction ~ they never existed ~ as Neal Adams explains and illustrates in another of his fascinating videos below: 

How Did Shallow Seas Become Deep Oceans On A Growing Planet Earth?

Around the 2 minute mark in the above video, Neal Adams starts to explain that when the Earth was smaller, there were no deep oceans, only shallow seas, and that as the Earth grew those shallow seas drained into the areas of the planet that now contain the deep oceans.

But shallow seas do not contain enough water to produce the deep oceans that cover so much of our world. So where did all of the water come from to fill the oceans to their present level?

It seems likely that the Earth herself has produced it from within ~ as New Water.

The New Water Story Begins
Over 100 Years Ago

Dr Eduard Suess

In addition to being well known for his theory of Gondwanaland, the Austrian geology professor Dr Eduard Suess of Vienna might be considered the founder of modern Geo-Hydrology & Hydro-Geology as a result of the selection of his proposal to solve the water quality problems of Vienna in the 1850s when the city suffered a high incidence of typhoid.

Dr Suess’ proposal, chosen from among many, was to develop spring water wells high above the city and use gravity flow to the population. It was during this time, and after his study of the Carlsbad (now Karlovy Vary) thermal springs, that he formulated the concepts of Juvenile Water (aka Primary Water) and its occurrence often in the mountains and at higher elevations, rising under great pressure related to volcanism.

Suess’ 1862 work, “The Ground Of The City Of Vienna”, described the relation of the great city to the Alps, and the hydrology of the urban water supply and drainage. The book went on to discuss the relation of wells, groundwater, and water quality to health and epidemics. His work is considered the “historical foundation of the geoscience branch of urban geology.” It resulted in the construction of the development of a new 70-mile water-supply system from the Alps to Vienna in 1873.

Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld:

The term “Primary Water” dates to a scientific paper in the Geological Society of Stockholm Proceedings of 1896 by renowned Finnish-Swedish geologist, mineralogist and explorer Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld titled, “About Drilling for Water in Primary Rock” for which he was nominated for the first Nobel Prize in Physics.

Nordenskiöld, who was very familiar with the pioneering work of Dr Suess, died in August 1901 before the first prizes were awarded, however it was Nordenskiöld’s scientific paper about drilling for water in primary rock that was translated into English and included in what is considered to be the Primary Water textbook, “New Water for a Thirsty World” by University of Southern California professor Dr. Michael Salzman published in 1960, with a forward by Aldous Huxley, and which largely traces the career of the German-educated mining engineer and pioneer primary water geo-hydrologist Stephan Riess.

Such leading scientists as Nobel Prize winners Linus Pauling and Willard Libby as well as the eminent geologist Ralph Arnold collaborated with Salzman during the four years he spent researching the subject as a result of numerous news articles chronicling Riess’s exploits during the 1950s.

Stephan Riess:

It was Stephan Riess who introduced the term primary water into English and the scientific lexicon by calling: “the new water he finds ‘primary’ water because of its close association with primary minerals.“

In 1957, Encyclopedia Britannica’s Book of the Year wrote the following on The “New Water” Theory of Stephan Riess:

“Stephan Riess of California formulated a theory that “new water” which never existed before, is constantly being formed within the earth by the combination of elemental hydrogen and oxygen and that this water finds its way to the surface, and can be located and tapped, to constitute a steady and unfailing new supply.”

— 1957 Brittanica Book of the Year

The non-profit Primary Water Institute was founded in 2014 by longtime Riess protégé, the equally pioneering Hydro-Geologist Pal Pauer, in order to educate and train the next generation of Primary Water specialists.

Pal Pauer:

Pal Pauer emigrated from Hungary to the US in 1956 at the age of 15 to escape from Soviet occupation. He attended Ojai, CA high school where he met Stephan Riess, who was lecturing on the science of Primary Water.

After graduating he went on to College in UC Santa Barbara to take courses in Geology while doing an apprenticeship with Stephan Riess who became his mentor/teacher/well drilling partner until Riess’ death in 1985. Besides working as a Hydro-Geologist, Pal Pauer also became a master mason, successful builder and real estate investor throughout California.

Below is a List of Pal Pauer’s major Primary Water drilling projects showing date, location, depth & structure, gallons per minute water output:

  • 1961 Riess Property, Sulphur Mountain, Ventura Cty: 1 well; 400’, Monterey Shale, 50 gpm
  • 1962, California City, Mohave Desert: 4 wells, 700′ to 1400′ bedrock, av. 700 gpm
  • 1962 Sulphur Mountain, 2 additional in Ventura Cty; both at 350′, Monterey shale; 50 & 25 gpm
  • 1965 Cuyama Valley, Kern Cty, CA, 500′, meta sedimentary,150gpm (redrilled 1972 after earthquake, San Fernando 1971; 5 miles from San Andreas fault)
  • 1966 Three Rivers, Tulare Cty.; 200′, plutonic granite, 200 gpm
  • 1970-1975 Santa Ana Canyon, Ventura Cty; 5 wells: largest 150 feet/700 gpm, sespe sandstone & coldwater, horizontal to 17 feet, 10 gpm; 110’/50 gpm; 200’/30 gpm; 200’/50 gpm
  • 1975-1978 & 1984-1987 Coyote Canyon, Ventura Cty. west of Lake Casitas, 2 wells & artisan well: sespe sandstone & coldwater structure: 150’/800 gpm; 200’/75
  • 1978 Sulphur Mountain, Ojai, Ventura Cty, 400′, Monterey shale, 75 gpm
  • 1978-83 Pacific City, Tilamook Cty, OR, elected to District Sewer & Water District, 3 wells: Cape Kiwanda for sewer diet: each 120’ kiwanda alluvium structure/ 1200 gpm!!
  • 1980 Cloverdale, Tilamook Cty, OR, 175’ meta sedimentary, 50 gpm
  • 1987 Siskiyou Cty, CA, Klamath River Northern Ranch, 400 acres, 175’ in unsorted volcanics, 200 gpm
  • 1995 Yreka, California, Hawkinsville/Humbug District, Siskiyou Cty, Pauer property, volcanics, 200’ /400 gpm;
    • 2nd well: 150’deep/75gpm
    • 3rd well: 150’deep/50gpm
    • 4th well: 200’deep/25gpm
    • 5th (1965) 250’deep/50 gpm
    • 6th 250’deep/20gpm
    • 7th 250’deep/25gpm

From 1995 on until to date, Pal Pauer has supervised and is involved in Primary Water drilling projects in:

  • Tanzania
  • Kenya
  • Morocco
  • Hungary
  • Mexico
  • Philipines
  • Marshal Islands
  • U.S.A.

Pal states on the website of his Primary Water Institute:

“We hear that the wars of the 21st century will be fought over water – rather than oil as in the last. Nothing holds more potential to abolish these wars – and ameliorate the shocking condition of nearly one billion people on earth without access to clean, safe water — than the science of Primary Water.” Pal Pauer

Lyn Hebenstreit

In the past few decades Pal Pauer has worked closely on many of the above projects with Lyn Hebenstreit (pictured left), the President of Global Resource Alliance, Inc., which is a tax-exempt US non-profit organization founded in 2001 to promote simple, natural and sustainable solutions to the challenges of hunger, poverty and disease in developing regions of the world.

As Lyn states in one of his articles:

“Contrary to popular belief, clean, safe, fresh water on our planet is not scarce, but abundant. That’s how I began a presentation at a conference earlier this year on “New Generation Watershed Management in Africa” co-sponsored by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and the Freedom from Hunger Council of Ireland (Gorta).

First of all, let me clarify what I mean by abundant. Abundance is not unlimited supply or vast surpluses, but simply, always enough – when used consciously, responsibly and conservatively. Do we really need more than that?”

Lyn’s work in a number of African countries with Global Resource Alliance includes not only drilling numerous successful Primary Water boreholes with the assistance of Pal Pauer, but going beyond that and training numerous local teams in every aspect of the work involved in finding and accessing Primary Water, including drilling-skills.

The Theory Of Vein Water

Hans Anton Rieder:

Hans Anton Rieder is a world-famous Swiss water-finder, who views the current water-situation, worldwide as follows:

“The world is not in crisis about water resources, but more in a crisis about the understanding of the origin and the dynamics of the global water system and the energies intrinsically tied to water.”

His theory states that there is a whole network of veins of Earth-generated water running beneath the surface of the Earth.

Accordingly, he refers to the type of New Water which flows throughout this distinct water-system within the planet as:

          • Vein Water

Rieder’s theory implies that Vein Water is different to Primary Water, even though both are created by the Earth, within the Earth. He further states that there seems to be a considerably larger water resource in this Vein Water System than exists in the surface water in rivers and lakes as well as in all of the fresh water known to us.

Hans Anton Rieder claims to be able to locate these water veins at every place in the world in the vicinity of 200 meters: in deserts, on mountain tops and on the smallest of islands.

In other words, apart from the surface-water cycle, which is already well understood by mainstream science, there seems to be an unlimited supply of fresh water in the earth, according to Hans Anton Rieder.

His theory appears to be supported to some degree, since Rieder has drilled over 300 wells around the world in the past 30 years, successfully finding water in places where mainstream geologists / scientists declared that there was simply no water to be found.

It is claimed that in almost 100% of the drilled holes, there is fresh water flowing under pressure.

The following are brief details of some of the anecdotal claims made in relation to Hans Anton Rieder’s drilling projects:

“When he was looking for water in Eritrea for a Swiss charity helping the desperately needy population, and he let the drilling begin in the place he designated, one of the geologists, who was hired by the Swiss TV team there, said: “There is definitely no water here. This is a very unfavourable place. Drilling a hole here is a waste of time and money. If he finds water here, I will change my profession.”

When the boring was successful and the drinking water came bubbling up, the geologist couldn’t believe it. (But as far as we know, he hasn’t changed his profession!)

He also proved his theory when he started drilling for fresh water on a tiny Pacific island. The island was too small to have any ground water. Against all scientific reason, he found drinkable water there as well – to the delight of the fishermen. Now they no longer have to transport water onto the island.

Up to now, his greatest achievement was for the “untouchables” in the Thar Desert (Rajasthan, India): thanks to 9 successfully drilled holes, 40,000 people from 35 villages are now provided with sufficient drinking water. He has realised what was written 2,500 years ago in the Vedas: ‘One day, when everything seems hopeless, the blood of the earth – the water veins hidden in stone – will save mankind.’”

Norbert Cibis:

Independent scientific researcher Norbert Cibis was inspired by the research and work of Stephan Reiss, Pal Pauer and Hans Anton Rieder, each of whom have employed dowsing as part of their approach to locating Primary Water (Reiss & Pauer) and Vein Water (Rieder).

He has invested more than twenty years of his life into researching alternative ways of locating water, to provide a more technical approach that may be used to support dowsing, or even instead of dowsing.

As a result of his own pioneering research, Norbert claims to have developed an extremely accurate proprietary method of remotely calculating and pinpointing the following:

  • The likely ~ almost certain ~ precise location of all types of underground water sources.
  • The depth of all types of underground water sources.
  • The specific type of underground water sources – including Aquifer Water, Primary Water and Vein Water.
  • The qualities and likely potability of underground water sources.

It is important to note that the above can all be done by Norbert from his base in Germany, or indeed anywhere else, before any on-site pre-drilling or drilling work is carried out. As Pal Pauer noted in a recent conference call with Norbert and Flowing River Solutions team members, if the claims being made by Norbert can be confirmed, this will make it much, much easier to find the best quality new water sources with minimal or zero test drilling.

In addition to the above, once a potential drilling location for Primary Water or New Water has been pinpointed by Norbert Cibis’ approach, he is able to use his on-site monitoring and measuring methodology to support the actual drilling operation as it happens, in order to make sure that the drilling is carried out with clinical precision, so that the drill is guided to the absolutely exact underground location where the Primary Water or Vein Water being sought will be found.

To clarify the importance of the above, Norbert Cibis states: 

“The determination of the drilling point is subject to different requirements, which must be weighed against each other. Main points are the initial depth of the water, accessibility of the terrain, rock types in the underground, possible cavities and cracks near the borehole. Layering of the subsoil, especially sand, clay and quartz layers can cause a borehole to collapse.

As the vein water is basically only found in hard rock, preferably granite and soft basalt, there beginning is of great importance. Thanks to our special technique we can make so-called “virtual” drillings.

We examine the rock and water sequence vertically only at the intended drilling point”.

Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence

Norbert Cibis has spent many years studying the work of pioneering and thought-leading Hydro-Geologists such as:

  • Stephan Riess
  • Pal Pauer
  • Hans Anton Rieder

Each of these men has confounded many orthodox and learned geologists in the field, by finding and accessing very large and sustainable flows of both Primary Water and Vein Water in locations where those same geologists adamantly stated there was simply no water to be found!

The image on the right shows Stephan Riess with the 1,900 gallon a minute well he drilled above the bone-dry Simi Valley in California – Courtesy of Riess Institute / Primary Water Institute: By Source (WP:NFCC#4), Fair use, Wikipedia

Furthermore, Norbert has been involved with and has overseen numerous successful drillings in Europe, Australia, India and elsewhere. (See images below).

Please also note that we are aware of other pioneering researchers – individuals and companies – who have in recent years developed a keen interest in the topics of Primary Water and Vein Water, and who, in turn, have developed their own proprietary methods of locating either Primary Water or Vein Water or both.

Their innovations may also have produced genuinely breakthrough technologies and systems. However, we have not yet had the opportunity to engage in significant discussions over many months with these other sources of Potential Authentic Solutions for Water Renewal, and so we do not mention them by name in this document.

The following images show some of the successful drillings for Primary Water / Vein Water that have been carried out in recent years, and overseen or witnessed by Norbert Cibis:

Spain ~ Naval Moral - Drilling on the top of the mountain. Contact with water at 42.5 M - Filling: approx. 15 m3 /h

Australia ~ NSW - Depth: 97 M | Volume: 21m3 /h | Drilling was made only 3 m into the water bearing layer.

India ~ Madya Pradesh, Indore - Drilling into a vertical core at a depth of 150 M | Contact with water in 150 M | Drilling depth in water only 2 M | Volume: 30 m3 /h

India ~ Uttar Pradesh, Aznar - Drilling in small core, horizontal | Water contact in 32.5 M to 75 M | Volume: 18 m3 /h

The Special Nature Of Vein Water

Norbert Cibis
Further Maintains That:

Norbert Cibis further maintains that:

“There are a number of different molecular-lattice-structures found within Vein Water, as a result of which Vein Water has a higher density than Primary Water or ‘ordinary’ water. The picture on the right illustrates what a molecular section of Vein Water could look like. “

Because such lattices trap UV light and have a high density, germs cannot penetrate these water structures in Vein Water. It therefore always remains germ-free.

“In addition to the above, it should be noted that there is a strong electric charge generated by released hydrogen. In living organisms, this has an antioxidant effect”.

(The following statement is based on the paradigm shifting research of Dr. Gerald Pollack:

“Individual water-molecules can form lattice systems, also called clusters, by wall contact. If such clusters lie on top of each other in several layers, they behave similarly to crystals.”

Norbert Cibis Continues:

“Furthermore, storing water is a big problem in hot climates.

Normally it is no longer potable after one day.

Vein water has been stored for over 10 years and it was still drinkable then.

A laboratory test, showed that the germination behavior of microbes in vein water (red) and normal tap water (green) during a period of 10 days.”

(Illustrated in the graph on the right)

Example Of Norbert Cibis' Work:

Special Services: Determination Of Drilling Data:

“Through a long-term environmental medical research project, we have been able to develop methods and procedures with which any water in the earth‘s crust can be located.

Satellite images are sufficient for us to be able to mark the water deposits at depth.

We work according to the “reference principle”.

This means that we do not look for what is reflected from the earth by the vein, but we mark the place where the physical quantities typical of vein water enter the earth‘s surface.

The principle is transferable to all materials.

By working on the screen we have the possibility to examine small and very large areas in one go.

This is the only way we can determine the real sizes and estimate the volume of a vein”.

  • Vein Water Type M:
    • Both water-bearing layers are located close to each other.
  • Vein Water Type R:
    • Both water-bearing layers are located at the edges.

Above Map: The white lines delimit the entire vein of type M Vein Water. The light blue areas show the location of the water areas, in which case the water layers start at 2000 m and go down to 7000 m.

Above Map: The blue lines and areas indicate Vein Water. The North-South running middle blue stripe belongs to type R Vein Water. The round light-blue area has a diameter of 15 km ~ it belongs to the dark blue vein. Red and green lines belong to the boundary of the vein system

Chart On The Left: 

This chart shows an example of the types of terrain layering and water layering that may be found in a designated borehole. 

The areas with red, green and violet mark the starting and final depth of different water veins that the borehole would pass through.

Summary & Conclusions:

Whenever an idea, or complementary group of ideas, becomes entrenched in the minds of scientists and the general public alike, it can be extremely difficult for individual people and individual scientists to change their long-held views, opinions or beliefs.

Especially in the past few years evidence has mounted to challenge many mainstream / orthodox views relating to how the universe was created, how solar systems are created, how planets are formed and so forth.

Predictions made based on outdated hypotheses have been shown to be completely incorrect, time and time and time again ~ yet many in the worlds of mainstream science, education, media – as well as many among the general public – cling fast and fervently to the original and obviously incorrect or incomplete theories that produced such erroneous predictions.

The Electric Universe Theory, on the other hand, even though many in the mainstream still reject this, has shown and continues to show, time and time and time again that the universe functions pretty much exactly as predicted by The Electric Universe Theory.

By presenting the videos and information contained in the above article, I hope to have given you some food for thought.

I’m not asking you to agree with my own conclusions, but, for what they are worth, here they are:

My Conclusions:

The standard model of The Universe, as promoted by mainstream science, is fundamentally flawed. My own understanding is that in fact we are all living in a Divine, Loving, Living, Conscious & Electric Universe in which stars and planets are formed and function, largely along the lines described by the theories of:

  1. The Thunderbolts Project
  2. The Safire Project
  3. Professor Samuel Warren Carey
  4. Rolfe Witzsche
  5. Neal Adams
  6. Hans Anton Rieder
  7. Norbert Cibis

The magnificent seven thought-leading groups and individuals above have done and continue to do ~ in my view ~ an excellent job of describing The Electric Nature of The Universe, in which planets may be formed around a plasma-core, electrically connected to their sun(s) and the rest of the universe…

From the work of Carey, Adams & Witzsche it appears that those same planets grow over time and among many other things, they may produce large quantities of water inside themselves, which according to Rieder and Cibis, may subsequently be found in abundance in venous structures in the outer layers of the planet (vein water) as well as locked into fissures inside primary rocks like granite and basalt (primary water).

Ray Murray

Founder of True Nature Enterprises LTD

Author's Note:

“I happen to be on the Core Team and Advisory Council of a new business called, “Flowing River Solutions”, which is being set up in the USA by my buddy, Kathleen Smith. The article above was originally written for Flowing River Solutions and posted (here) on their website.” Ray Murray